Question about updates

[Windows 10 User]

I successfully integrated all of the latest updates but how do I know which updates I must replace and keep when new updates are available to have all of the latest integrated?

 

[nuhi]

See here for update release info.
Basically for Windows 10 just integrate newest cumulative update. But it's much better to start fresh, load original unedited ISO each month and integrate latest cumulative.
IF you need an image constantly, of course you can just run Windows Update on existing installs, if you kept WU compatibility enabled while removing components.

 

[pmikep]

Yikes! Reinstall a fresh OS every month?

I'm not a Win10 user, but so far I have tended to reinstall fresh NTLite builds of Win7 on my 2nd Partition every few months as if I were a Win10 user.

But I've been hesitant to use - and activate - my NTLite'd Win7 until I'm sure everything works perfectly. And that means that I haven't been able to use my nice new NTLite'd Win7 for any serious work for the past year of my NTLite license.

The main issue is reinstalling software, not to mention reactivating a few of my software programs. (The movie editing stuff gets suspicious if you activate too many times and they cancel your license.) That means that, during the past year of my NTLite license, I haven't reactivated any of my software on my 2nd partition. :-(

If I were smart enough, I could probably copy the Software hive from the Registry after installing my software on a fresh NTLite'd Win7 and then, after I do a fresh install of Win7, I could import the Software hive back in and everything would resume as it did before.

Although it might not be that easy. Even though I keep my Apps on my D drive (and so wouldn't have to reinstall there after a reinstall of Win7 on C), a lot of stuff (folders, ini's, $somethings) still gets written to C:\Users when installing software. So unless I knew what to copy from C to paste after a fresh NTLite install, things might not work right.

And, of course, there's all the customization of preferences. For example, even in the free Audacity Portable app, I have to set a different Temp folder each time I install it.

(I've seen programs that say that they capture all changes made to the computer during a software install. Even if they work as advertised, I imagine that one has to reinstall software in the same order that it was installed, since so many things change in Windows with time.)

And I think some of these companies are sneaky and hide keys in other places than the Software hive in the Registry. (One of my programs lost activation after I changed cluster size on the D drive!)

But, since nuhi is recommending monthly reinstalls of fresh Win10, is there a Guide about how to easily reinstall/preserve activated software across OS installs?

 

[Clanger]

Reinstall and activate windows every month? screw that. It is getting beyond rediculous the hurdles you have to go through with ms and updates of any software. How about we turn our devices on, send an email or record an online radio station then turn the bloody thing off.

 

[Windows 10 User]

See here for update release info.
Basically for Windows 10 just integrate newest cumulative update. But it's much better to start fresh, load original unedited ISO each month and integrate latest cumulative.
IF you need an image constantly, of course you can just run Windows Update on existing installs, if you kept WU compatibility enabled while removing components.

I've been using WHDownloaded but Windows Update still detects new updates after integrating all the available ones in the program.

Yikes! Reinstall a fresh OS every month?

I'm not a Win10 user, but so far I have tended to reinstall fresh NTLite builds of Win7 on my 2nd Partition every few months as if I were a Win10 user.

But I've been hesitant to use - and activate - my NTLite'd Win7 until I'm sure everything works perfectly. And that means that I haven't been able to use my nice new NTLite'd Win7 for any serious work for the past year of my NTLite license.

The main issue is reinstalling software, not to mention reactivating a few of my software programs. (The movie editing stuff gets suspicious if you activate too many times and they cancel your license.) That means that, during the past year of my NTLite license, I haven't reactivated any of my software on my 2nd partition. :-(

If I were smart enough, I could probably copy the Software hive from the Registry after installing my software on a fresh NTLite'd Win7 and then, after I do a fresh install of Win7, I could import the Software hive back in and everything would resume as it did before.

Although it might not be that easy. Even though I keep my Apps on my D drive (and so wouldn't have to reinstall there after a reinstall of Win7 on C), a lot of stuff (folders, ini's, $somethings) still gets written to C:\Users when installing software. So unless I knew what to copy from C to paste after a fresh NTLite install, things might not work right.

And, of course, there's all the customization of preferences. For example, even in the free Audacity Portable app, I have to set a different Temp folder each time I install it.

(I've seen programs that say that they capture all changes made to the computer during a software install. Even if they work as advertised, I imagine that one has to reinstall software in the same order that it was installed, since so many things change in Windows with time.)

And I think some of these companies are sneaky and hide keys in other places than the Software hive in the Registry. (One of my programs lost activation after I changed cluster size on the D drive!)

But, since nuhi is recommending monthly reinstalls of fresh Win10, is there a Guide about how to easily reinstall/preserve activated software across OS installs?

No, I just want to integrate them so that when I have some serious problems in Window and I don't have a choice but to reinstall.

I don't know how it's done but if I do some silent installs they will be very slow (I suppose) and the programs will be outdated fast (and because of that I'd have to do the process many times) and besides that they wouldn't be configured so it wouldn't pay off, I guess.

Monthly reinstalls? Not my thing.

Reinstall and activate windows every month? screw that. It is getting beyond rediculous the hurdles you have to go through with ms and updates of any software. How about we turn our devices on, send an email or record an online radio station then turn the bloody thing off.

No, I'd only integrate the latest updates, not reinstall Windows 10 every month when new updates are out.

 

[fishingfish]

Sometimes MS releases a small high priority update to fix something important. This month happened that with a bug in the microsoft store. Maybe this is what confused you? But these small patches arent into WHDownloader. Sometimes MS adds the small patch to the previous cumulative and makes a new cumulative, and this one gets included in WHD, but this wasnt the case in the last one.

Another thing that isnt included in WHDownloader and it downloads is the malicious removal tool update.

So basically I installed an updated windows two days ago and I received 2 updates, these two I just talked about.

 

[Windows 10 User]

Sometimes MS releases a small high priority update to fix something important. This month happened that with a bug in the microsoft store. Maybe this is what confused you? But these small patches arent into WHDownloader. Sometimes MS adds the small patch to the previous cumulative and makes a new cumulative, and this one gets included in WHD, but this wasnt the case in the last one.

Another thing that isnt included in WHDownloader and it downloads is the malicious removal tool update.

So basically I installed an updated windows two days ago and I received 2 updates, these two I just talked about.

Yes, I had to manually download two extra updates (one of them being the Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool) because WHDownloader didn't detect them. Anyway, I think that if WHDownloader detects old updates it will say that they are outdated so I won't download them.

 

[pmikep]

I noticed that Kasual uses WSUS Offline Updater. Not to disparage the WHDownloader guys, but the WSUS guys are German and German's tend to obsess about every detail. As a bonus, you can chose to download only critical Security features with WSUS. Frankly I don't trust Microsoft anymore (if ever I did in the first place) and installing all of MS's Recommended updates does not appeal to me anymore.

 

[Windows 10 User]

I noticed that Kasual uses WSUS Offline Updater. Not to disparage the WHDownloader guys, but the WSUS guys are German and German's tend to obsess about every detail. As a bonus, you can chose to download only critical Security features with WSUS. Frankly I don't trust Microsoft anymore (if ever I did in the first place) and installing all of MS's Recommended updates does not appeal to me anymore.

Well, I install every update that is detected by Windows Update even if I don't use such things like the Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool to not be annoyed by Windows Update but maybe I should stop doing that. Anyway, I tried using that program (WSUS Offline Updater) you mentioned and it detected an insane amount of updates (even after only searching for Windows 10 x64 and Office 2016 x64 updates) when I thought it would only be available some 4 or 5 (for Windows) and because of that it takes a lot of time do download them, they take a lot of disk space and furthermore I always have some errors when downloading some of them for some reason I don't know.

Another thing that I forgot to tell in the previous post is that I used WHDownloader to search for Office 2016 x64 updates also and even after I integrate all the available ones and installed the program Windows Update still detected an update related to Skype for Business that I didn't even install when WHDownloader downloaded an update related to it so I tried replacing it with the manually downloaded updated (the one that Windows Update detected) since they had the same name and did another Office install and this time it didn't detect it so WHDownloader isn't up-to-date.

 

[pmikep]

FWIW, I just did a first WSUS update to a fresh NTLite'd Win7. Critical Security updates only.

With the understanding that I had a lot of components removed from Win7 (which decreased the total number of updates), WSUS installed 46 updates.

I don't think that's too many, considering it's been a couple years since the Rollup. But Win10 might be a lot different.

In any event, it's nice to have both options available for offline updating.

 

[Windows 10 User]

FWIW, I just did a first WSUS update to a fresh NTLite'd Win7. Critical Security updates only.

With the understanding that I had a lot of components removed from Win7 (which decreased the total number of updates), WSUS installed 46 updates.

I don't think that's too many, considering it's been a couple years since the Rollup. But Win10 might be a lot different.

In any event, it's nice to have both options available for offline updating.

So, you didn't integrate the downloaded updates in the Windows 7 ISO created by NTLite but instead installed them after installing the OS? I didn't know that by having components removed you don't receive its related updates. Anyway, I don't understand why so many updates are downloaded... Which options?

 

[pmikep]

I start NTLite with an updated image that has the RollUp, a fix after the Rollup for WSUS, and an MP4 fix. So it's current as of about June 2016. After I remove junk from that image, then I let WSUS Offline Updater have at it. A lot of KB's don't get downloaded, reporting something like "Warning - KB not found" (or something like that) because I have removed stuff that the KB doesn't relate to. It only takes a half hour. I don't think that 46 updates after almost two years is so bad - that's about 2 or 3 patches per month. AFAIK, MS issues more than that every patch Tuesday.

 

[Windows 10 User]

I start NTLite with an updated image that has the RollUp, a fix after the Rollup for WSUS, and an MP4 fix. So it's current as of about June 2016. After I remove junk from that image, then I let WSUS Offline Updater have at it. A lot of KB's don't get downloaded, reporting something like "Warning - KB not found" (or something like that) because I have removed stuff that the KB doesn't relate to. It only takes a half hour. I don't think that 46 updates after almost two years is so bad - that's about 2 or 3 patches per month. AFAIK, MS issues more than that every patch Tuesday.

Maybe it downloaded updates for all Windows 10 versions, not only for RS3.

 

[pmikep]

Perhaps. I have mine set for only x64 MultiGlobal (or something like that) Win7. Nothing else. (So I don't know what they do for Win10.)

 

[Windows 10 User]

Perhaps. I have mine set for only x64 MultiGlobal (or something like that) Win7. Nothing else. (So I don't know what they do for Win10.)

Yeah, me too, but for Windows 10 x64.