DCH Drivers, Graphics Control Panels and NTLite dilemma

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Thanks for that, i like to know if i have missed something or if there are additional entries on stuff i need to add. :)
 
If i remove the PagingFiles entry pagefile and swapfile are stil there after restart.
If i apply the PagingFiles entry only pagefile and swap file are gone. Hmm,,,,,,,
 
I can only say this... avoid DCH and other Store (+dependencies) like the plague unless you really need to.

Perfectly fine gaming system without touching any of these.

Even Microsoft realises this somewhat and said it was planning to release their games to steam at some point :)
 
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I've just re-installed windows LTSC a couple of days ago.

Apparently, with the latest version of Intel and NVIDIA drivers, the control panels do install themselves without the Store. (see screenshot).
So that's a step forward. At least you won't have to worry about installing Windows Store anymore when you install Windows 10 LTSC.
However, opening the control panels still require the components that you'd usually need to run other UWP apps.
So yeah, a step forward, but not a big one. You still have to leave most of the UWP related components intact and not remove them. In fact, in some ways it is a step backward, because Intel Graphics Control Panel (a win32 app converted to uwp) has been replaced with Intel Graphics Command Center (a uwp app written from scratch), eliminating the ability to convert it backwards to win32 altogether.

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Something sounds wrong here.

I have not required to use the store or dependencies 1607 and 1809 LTSx with any 39x/4xx nvidia driver branch and all had perfectly fine control panel?

It is true tho that more and more windows elements require UWP/Metro stuff.
 
they will cripple the os so much you will have to have store stuff and a ms/hotmail account to get it. No ms account, crippled os.
And they will start charging you extra for features.
 
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the components that are required to run apps are Net native framework and runtime, VClibs140 and vclibs140uwp.desktop, UIxaml 2.0/2.2. Apps dont need WIndows Store + all the components that are required for Store functionality, to work properly.

Basically the required stuff is already in the AppFolder, however, that is not how a retail "WindowsApps" folder looks like. It seems like a modified ISO image to me.

I tried copying over the WindowsApps folder with alle control panels and then later inserting it to newly installed windows without store and so on and it doesnt work by simply copying stuff inside the folder.

I even downloaded the control panels as .appX install packages and control panels in particular will install but wont start, due to some license mismatch error. Some other free .appX files will install normally and work properly.

Seems like MS doesnt want ppl to be able to use control panel apps without Windows Store beeing installed and working.

After again wasting quite alot of time, I figured that the "best" way is to include Windows Store + COmponents in the ISO image. Then download all the Control Panel apps etc through store once windows is installed and later remove Windows Store with NTlite from the live WIndows version.

Its not an elegant and out of the box working solution, but it seems to be the solution with least ammount of pita for now, until someone comes up with a better solution.
 
Lets pray they dont add more junk to LTSC 22 but like any other version it always broke tons of stuff too. Good thing 2019 has 10 year support but the bad thing is that hardware support often requires new versions.

Like my Turing GPU requires 180x branch now.

If all games had native linux support Microsoft would be dead, and I would never look back. What a pain.

Im still not sure what nvidia control panel has to do with MS Store? Just curious, haven't followed this thread too much. Works fine here.
 
And wave bye bye to registry and policy editing, they will be configured by online editors only.
 
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Lets pray they dont add more junk to LTSC 22 but like any other version it always broke tons of stuff too. Good thing 2019 has 10 year support but the bad thing is that hardware support often requires new versions.

Like my Turing GPU requires 180x branch now.

If all games had native linux support Microsoft would be dead, and I would never look back. What a pain.
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Yeah its basically only lack of native gaming support on Linux that forces everyone to use windows. Also lack of HDR support (for now) on Linux and no support for GPU hardware acceleration when watching internet videos, like Youtube or Twitch.

Apparently now there is some workaround on Linux that requires alot of tinkering and then it works in chrome, but its too much tinkering for an average user.

Another downside of linux is that it doesnt have something like portable apps that we have on windows. That is something major that linux is missing.

The optimal way with OSs is to have all your apps on a different partition/drive- everything, from files (pictures, videos, etc.) to apps should ideally be installed on different partition/drive. Because then you can reinstall the OS quite fast and easy if something breaks etc.

With portable apps, you dont lose any progress/work etc. etc. Its beyond me why linux doesnt have something like this.

Every app I use, it is the portable version of it (unless a portable version doesnt exist) and so I can easily install new OSes rather fast and without too much effort.
 
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Yep same here, trying to keep everything independent with little hassle of migration.
 
Nvidia is not an issue for now, because they offer non-DCH drivers, but its most likely only a matter of time, until they stop releasing non-DCH versions. For example with the new GPU generation, they might only release DCH drivers for it, which would suck.

The only problem for now is Intel CP and I think Intel Optane CP and maybe some realtek stuff, however I didnt find any CP from realtek when searching the windows store. AMD also seems to offer non-DCH drivers for now.

But with Intel integrated graphics, the CP is more or less useless, because you cant change much there, only some useless video color optimization and this kind of BS. You can also create a custom display resolution with INtel CP, but thats about it. Everything else you can change through windows (switch refresh rate, switch resolution).

So technically, one can easily get away with just installing INtel gpu driver and not having CP. With Optane stuff Im not sure how much you can change in CP.

Realtek CP for audio is also usually not required, unless you want to tweak some microphone noise cancelling and this kind of stuff.

Again, right now I think best way is to leave Windows Store inside the image, then download all the stuff you need from the store and remove the store afterwards in the Windows live version.

edit: this is the realtek stuff, but it seems to be broken and not even download/install for most users. So its basically useless: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/r...&activetab=pivot:overviewtab|pivot:reviewstab
 
Ok, good news is that the Realtek Audio Console and Killer Control Panel apps can be installed with a minimum of dependencies, fully offline once downloaded with this command line

Code: 
PowerShell -NoLogo -NoProfile -NonInteractive -InputFormat None -ExecutionPolicy Bypass Add-AppxPackage [path_to_app]

Intel is a pain as usual, and I'm starting to think is not happenstance or coincidence, but enemy action.
 
Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen and welcome to another Moan Sunday :D
 
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Yea Realtek no issues here. Just update driver manually through device manager and get control panel integrated UI. Just in the future be careful what hardware to take! Also keep in mind open source / linux support.

Clanger more like salty Sunday :p

Perfect day of the week to bash Microsoft and neuter its crappy OS even further.
 
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Ok, good news is that the Realtek Audio Console and Killer Control Panel apps can be installed with a minimum of dependencies, fully offline once downloaded with this command line

Code: 
PowerShell -NoLogo -NoProfile -NonInteractive -InputFormat None -ExecutionPolicy Bypass Add-AppxPackage [path_to_app]

Intel is a pain as usual, and I'm starting to think is not happenstance or coincidence, but enemy action.
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Intel will install, but the CP will fail to start, it will say something with missing license bla bla.

Again, if everything else fails, its still possible to include Windows Store in the iso and then delete it from live windows.

You can try to install AppX version of intel CP, try this: http://tlu.dl.delivery.mp.microsoft.com/filestreamingservice/files/e1a2effd-961b-457f-88e1-6cc015122da9?P1=1579454552&P2=402&P3=2&P4=EWru6PkPOdEhEdLhBGYl72f4d5texhz5jgou5tV1FOTYWNMWwfJXtI8N898oX5SNo4e5Oorm3L+sqfembqNx6A==

double click this and see if it install properly, then try to open the CP after it installs.

If you go to this site: https://store.rg-adguard.net/

you can enter Windows Store Links to the apps and press enter and it creates download links to the .AppX file, which you then can double click in Windows to install. It also shows all required component dependencies, usually it is enough to download the latest versions of the dependencies and install them.

For example: https://store.rg-adguard.net/, then enter link to Intel Control Panel: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/i...nter/9plfnlnt3g5g?activetab=pivot:overviewtab then press enter.

Where to get link to Apps is here https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/search?q=intel+control you just search for the app you need and then copy the http address of it and enter on adguard site.
 
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@kicksnarehihat

the components that are required to run apps are Net native framework and runtime, VClibs140 and vclibs140uwp.desktop, UIxaml 2.0/2.2. Apps dont need WIndows Store + all the components that are required for Store functionality, to work properly.

Basically the required stuff is already in the AppFolder, however, that is not how a retail "WindowsApps" folder looks like. It seems like a modified ISO image to me.

I tried copying over the WindowsApps folder with alle control panels and then later inserting it to newly installed windows without store and so on and it doesnt work by simply copying stuff inside the folder.

I even downloaded the control panels as .appX install packages and control panels in particular will install but wont start, due to some license mismatch error. Some other free .appX files will install normally and work properly.

Seems like MS doesnt want ppl to be able to use control panel apps without Windows Store beeing installed and working.

After again wasting quite alot of time, I figured that the "best" way is to include Windows Store + COmponents in the ISO image. Then download all the Control Panel apps etc through store once windows is installed and later remove Windows Store with NTlite from the live WIndows version.

Its not an elegant and out of the box working solution, but it seems to be the solution with least ammount of pita for now, until someone comes up with a better solution.
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It is an unmodified LTSC ISO. I just install the ISO without connecting to a wifi network on the first boot. I then manually install the latest drivers packs downloaded from Intel and NVIDIA. After that, I reboot the pc, turn on wifi, and then click check for updates. The NVIDIA control panel, Intel Graphics Command Center and the Realtek Audio Console just install themselves afterwards.
 
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