NTLite Forums welcomes its 25,000th registered user

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NTLite Forums has reached a major milestone in user growth, by passing 25,000 registered users! Now some profiles are owned by spammers, bots, or one-time visitors who signed up to get download access. But we have to go by whatever user count we have.

It's an impressive number for this small site, considering NTLite doesn't advertise its product, has no partners, and exists solely on product licenses and renewals.

Just for me (as moderator), it's been great to welcome all everyone, and thanks to everyone who's helped others out. Let's keep the community growing, and see if we can reach even higher numbers. (Well, except for you bad boy spammers).
 
May 12, 2024

NTLite Forums has reached a major milestone in user growth, by passing 25,000 registered users! Now some profiles are owned by spammers, bots, or one-time visitors who signed up to get download access. But we have to go by whatever user count we have.

It's an impressive number for this small site, considering NTLite doesn't advertise its product, has no partners, and exists solely on product licenses and renewals.

Just for me (as moderator), it's been great to welcome all everyone, and thanks to everyone who's helped others out. Let's keep the community growing, and see if we can reach even higher numbers. (Well, except for you bad boy spammers).
I tend to promote Ntlite to all users who have some computer background and can handle the growing pains that can be associated with it.

However once you get the hand of it, you will never want to go back. Such a valuable tool to have!
 
I would like to add that a great program [and NTLite is one] is always associated with a "place" [read Forum and its experts] where you can acquire, if you have patience, the right operating methods.
 
Thanks garlin, your continuing contribution is appreciated.

Necrosaro and clarensio, I see a pattern being mentioned, difficult for beginners. In short, what would you suggest to ease the beginner onboarding, but not to attract total noobs that would not have fun with that much freedom?

Btw the ISO+Image edits cache folder support was a push in the direction of reducing that onboarding wall - which was there by design while the tool is maturing.
Next plan is a small wizard-like popup on the Components page, to ask if you need Windows Update support etc, to auto-enable deeper removals, a guided handling of Servicing Stack compatibility, WinSxS removal, compatibility and templates.

Maybe you're just pointing out that one needs to find out which components his apps are requiring.
Would a simple Report email link in the tool help, to help create more compatibility options, and/or a forum section with component reports?
I think with all of us together, the compatibility section would be a savior in that area.

Or is there something else?
 
Necrosaro and clarensio, I see a pattern being mentioned, difficult for beginners. In short, what would you suggest to ease the beginner onboarding, but not to attract total noobs that would not have fun with that much freedom?
Premise
From direct experience I can say that Users participate (initially) in the Forum mainly because they want to "solve" problems relating to Windows and the internet evidently does not provide them with suitable answers. From here the registration, the questions, the answers etc. etc.

The same registered users, in order to sometimes find answers to in-depth "new situations" through "search", find themselves faced with the only possibility of reading various and varied answers (perhaps inserted in multidisciplinary posts) which are not easy to filter, either for temporal order than by obsolescience.

However, Covid19 has taught us that calls, video guides and assistance have completely changed the "professor" ßà "student" interaction scenario, a scenario which, today, is impossible to give up.


Suggestions
- Create a Howto section with 3 subsections:
o Debloat relating to Windows, where any direct and above all indirect "consequences" should be underlined for each "deletion"​
o Software related to how to insert software into NTLite à post-setup​
o Windows integrations (updates and their consequences, languages, Store apps, etc..​
- Create a section with short Video Guides (no more than 60/120 sec.) on how to do certain operations
- Do a sorting job of the thousands of answers given (I am referring to scripts and reg files) and group them by topic, so as to be able to provide a specific (and already "filtered") "place" for consultation.
- Try, as far as possible, to avoid providing answers in "acronyms", which always made me think of a caste secret (most of the time specific to "language", forgetting that users often use an online translator to be able to be heard) which certainly do not bring Users closer.
- Taking into account the version of NTLite (Free and Subscribers), foresee other scenarios (in addition to the Gamer Preset) perhaps Corporate (with particular regard to Privacy, as in my case for 4 years now) and Personal, possibly commented like: I removed this and so this other one is missing...

Next plan is a small wizard-like popup on the Components page, to ask if you need Windows Update support etc, to auto-enable deeper removals, a guided handling of Servicing Stack compatibility, WinSxS removal, compatibility and templates.

Undoubtedly this prospect is very attractive, especially in the specific "Components", but I have difficulty imagining it without seeing it "in the field" perhaps in a Portable beta.

Or is there something else?
As far as I'm concerned, absolutely not!.

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I tried to be concise but... for any further information I'm here.
 
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What beginners need and other thoughts(in no particular order).

What beginners need cannot be taught or made into computer code.
Learn to take advice from people who know their onions.
Patience - this crap takes time - there are no quick fixes and no one size fits all.
Determination.
A methodical mind.
Learn to compromise.
The ability to get stuck in and try things without asking millions of questions - its how i got windows 7 pro 64bit installed at 1.26GB(or was it 1.16? i forget).
Google-Fu.

Corporate is good - learn how the pro's do stuff.

We are constantly playing catchup(whack-a-mole) with ms.

There are too many variables to know everything.

Learn to trim the fat and leave the meat and bones of an OS because that is where the breakages really happen - this is where compromise comes in.

And finally
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and bleeding plenty of it
 
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Thanks garlin, your continuing contribution is appreciated.

Necrosaro and clarensio, I see a pattern being mentioned, difficult for beginners. In short, what would you suggest to ease the beginner onboarding, but not to attract total noobs that would not have fun with that much freedom?

Btw the ISO+Image edits cache folder support was a push in the direction of reducing that onboarding wall - which was there by design while the tool is maturing.
Next plan is a small wizard-like popup on the Components page, to ask if you need Windows Update support etc, to auto-enable deeper removals, a guided handling of Servicing Stack compatibility, WinSxS removal, compatibility and templates.

Maybe you're just pointing out that one needs to find out which components his apps are requiring.
Would a simple Report email link in the tool help, to help create more compatibility options, and/or a forum section with component reports?
I think with all of us together, the compatibility section would be a savior in that area.

Or is there something else?
Ntlite will never be a super easy program to use. It is not to be that way. It is for some with a bit of computer background to learn and understand what a program like Ntlite can do for you. It's not for everyone and that is completely understandable however what can be done.

This might be a weird idea but a video tutorial(something that can be basic enough to understand but can hold its basics enough for new OS) to be put directly into the program. One for iso and one for live

It won't be the end all or be all just some basic things to consider before diving into the program and how it use it. It will make the program bigger with these videos included but could also have advanced install and not install them if you don't need them.

These basics would help anyone who is new to get some help. Yes I know there are videos online but they do there own thing. K.I.S.S. should be kept at the absolute till they get there legs and really dive into it.

Just.my basic thoughs
 
its not that bad from a "home user plus" perspective, best thing is to play around with it for a while to get to know where stuff is.
This leads to many questions for most users however that have been answered many times. Just a thought I had to help alleviate that situation with a built in tutorial.
 
guides and tutorials are good :). some prefer guides while others prefer to get stuck in.
 
This leads to many questions for most users however that have been answered many times. Just a thought I had to help alleviate that situation with a built in tutorial.
Guys, there's no point beating around the bush... we know very well what users want to do the very first times they come into contact with NTLite.
  1. 1) Generally they download from certain websites a Windows ISO image "promoted as XLite. UltraLite, +Lite, etc etc", all generated with NTLite - and without ever mentioning it - which then in the end, as soon as you try to update them or install software on them, THEY DO NOT WORK.
  2. 2) This is because users don't realize that "lightness" (understood as fewer information transmissions from/to MS) is not always synonymous with functionality and a good OS.
And since many times "In medio stat virtus" and in this direction it is necessary to "work"
 
users don't realize that "lightness" is not always synonymous with functionality and a good OS.
Only experience teaches you that.

functionality and a good OS
depends entirely on a users needs. i can break an OS to hell and back and it will still be functional enough for my needs but for 99.99999% of other users it will be completely unacceptable.

what is a "good" os? for me a good os is one that has all the fat removed, various registry and group policy tweaks but is still well behaved in regards to Settings pages, taskbar notifications etc.

the many "lite" frankenbrews floating about are s--t, absolute s--t! i can do much better for My Needs.
 
"trim the fat but leave the meat and bones of the os".

What is "the fat"?

uneeded keyboards,
uneeded languages and language components,
uneeded fonts,
3rd party published drivers - not microsoft published drivers for amd.example.inf,
winsxs - but keeping components required for updating and image servicing with dism.

other items that are not actual components
.net caches and setup files,
cache and temp files
winsxs - backup

garlin what is the folder where an update is stored but its not the software distribution - ahh, found it
windows/servicing/lcu/
 
Can the Usual Suspects (for once) not divert a congratulatory thread into the endless rant we've already repeated on countless threads?
/yawn
 
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