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Necrosaro said:
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Windows should just flesh out Xbox on the OS. Make it like a switch like they did on windows 8.0/8.1and stop making Xbox consoles
Then sell Xbox controllers and other accessories seperate.
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Nah. Keep Xbox away from Windows. Not everybody cares about Xbox, I don't. Just make Windows lean, stable and fast without all the bloat and Xbox would be unwanted bloat, unless it was 100% easily removable or - even better - installed only on request by the user.
 
Xbox is a 'console', a 'PC' is a computer, a 'personal' one, and no console nonsense need be anywhere near it, likewise any 'mobile' rubbish.

If I wanted an Xbox, I'd go buy one!, simple :) This is what MS refuse to get. They are too busy trying to make 'all' fit one device, when it's just not gonna work, more to the point, most 'PC' users are not interested in it working regardless, and just want a normal 'PC' experience.

Sure, if you have something that can be installed on ones PC system, as regards Xbox/Mobile, then let the end user decide so, and not half bake it into the 'PC OS' with no return.

How would you like your Xbox riddled with 'Adobe' nonsense (e.g), Photoshop, Lightroom, Premiere, Illustrator Suite taking up your valuable gaming resources when you don't want them?

If the shoe was on the other foot ;) Nah, the 'PC' has now become a 'dumping ground' for all sorts of crap now. It's an easy target, and there is no longer anything 'personal' about one's computer.

At 63 years old in August, maybe I'm just too old for the fight now, lol? :)
 
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Gaming consoles are distinct from a PC platform, because they represent a "frozen HW" configuration. For better or worse, game devs know exactly how much CPU and GPU performance the platform can generate and tailor the game exactly for it. Slightly different versions of the console will appear to save costs, but more or less match the launch version in overall specs.

They don't have to worry about supporting two different playing experiences for the lowest requirements PC vs. the bleeding edge PC. Which you get today. Some kid is crying Call of Duty on his GTX 1080 doesn't look as good as a RTX 3000.

On a console, everyone gets the same experience. So game play is fair for everyone, except if you live somewhere with crappy network latency.

A console and a gaming PC are two different things. What's always infuriating is MS likes to borrow a marketing term and call everything the same. Xbox no longer represents a console, but a marketing umbrella for anything gaming on Windows. But that's Microsoft. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, what Microsoft isn't getting is that consoles, mobiles and desktop computers are completely different environments and have different requirements. And I don't get it why they're not getting it. For a corpo with pretty much limitless resources and decades of accumulated knowledge, how can they be so dumb?

These three require different hardware, different UX/UI and different operating systems.

Even Apple understood a long time ago that you can't have the same OS running desktops/laptops and mobiles. They can share some optional integrations if one desires those, but they're different things at the core. And consoles are completely different from the other two.

Trying to merge all three into one OS results in the current shitshow that Windows 11 is.
 
Trying to buy a pc case with 2 or more 5.25 inch optical drive bays is like trying to find dodo droppings :/ and i dont want to ghetto mod a case.
I remember the good old days when i could walk into my local Maplins see a not brilliant case but it had drive bays akimbo :(
 
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16309 said:
Trying to buy a pc case with 2 or more 5.25 inch optical drive bays is like trying to find dodo droppings :/ and i dont want to ghetto mod a case.
I remember the good old days when i could walk into my local Maplins see a not brilliant case but it had drive bays akimbo :(
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Or getting a good case that doesn't look like aquarium...
 
Good grief. Would have gone for a 4/5U rack case but damn those suckers are big, at least 600mm deep, add at least 100mm for cables so nearly 700mm deep total :oops:
 
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Good grief. Would have gone for a 4/5U rack case but damn those suckers are big, at least 600mm deep, add at least 100mm for cables so nearly 700mm deep total :oops:
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Yeah, was considering the same. But, besides being too deep they're also loud as hell though since they require smaller, faster fans.
 
They are wide enough for horizontal 5.25 drive bays and 2 x 12cm silent fans are enough if you aint running Skynet.
 
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They are wide enough for horizontal 5.25 drive bays and 2 x 12cm silent fans are enough if you aint running Skynet.
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12cm fans? I thought they all have 8cm fans. Yeah, that's not bad at all. I have two Mini ITX PCs cooled by two 12cm fans ( 1x intake, 1x exhaust), one is a 12th gen Core i5, the other is 6th gen Core i7 and they're fine, stock clocks, no overclocking, of course.
 
First case is a be quiet purebase 600 with 2 optical drive bays,
2nd case is an Inter-Tech T-9, with up to 10 optical drive bays, £115 + delivery(GB mainland).
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My need for optical drives is minimal these days, so when I built my last "main PC" in 2023 I eventually settled down for external USB DVD/BD drives. By then I already ripped all my CDs, DVDs and BDs so it wasn't critical, I just wanted to have an optical drive, just in case. Already in 2023, it was difficult to find a good case with 5.25" bays and I needed a really big and well cooled case (and with PS mount on the bottom) because I got an RTX4080 that is monstrous and most cases I liked won't fit. That was the last time I was looking at big cases and I did consider rackmounted cases, but the GPU was a problem. So I ended up with a big be quiet! Silent Base 802 that has no optical bays.

I have a bunch of other PCs that, for space considerations, are MiniITX and some Dell Micros (mostly used or my old parts) so no optical bays there either. And, now I think the decision to get external USB optical drives was beneficial, because I can use them with any PC and I'm not limited to the main PC. There is no performance difference (or if there is, I don't see it) either between SATA and USB optical drives, so that wasn't a problem.

Last time I was ripping some CDs I just used my laptop with the external USB drive while playing games on my main PC :) So, it kinda worked out in the end and I don't really miss the 5.25" bays any more.


Ha, in related news, SONY is dropping optical media in PS:

PlayStation fans brutally reject Sony’s disc decision, eye Windows 11 PCs over Xbox

So, more PC gamers? That's a win, I think :) Though physical gaming media is dead on PCs too, so that's kind of faulty logic to begin with.

I just hope Microslop won't ruin Windows by making the Xbox nonsense too difficult to remove. But, knowing Microslop, they will fail miserably to take advantage of this opportunity, because that's what they normally do.

Note to Microslop: Xbox is not PC gaming, keep that crap out of my Windows.
 
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Ripping some kinds of discs takes longer and problematical from a usb drive, quicker and less problem from a sata drive.
 
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Ripping some kinds of discs takes longer and problematical from a usb drive, quicker and less problem from a sata drive.
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Yes, I heard, but I never came across such disks. Though most of my CD ripping was done on an older Macbook Pro with an internal SATA drive, but I also used an external USB BD drive for many CD, DVD and BD disks without any problems.

I've had some old music CDs, bought in the 90s, that wouldn't rip completely, no matter what drive or software I used, they also paused or stuttered when playing certain tracks. They were not visibly damaged but they were close to 20 years old by then, so people were guessing they might have been oxygenated already.
 
I have had brand new legal dvd movies go bad in less than 3 years, disc rot is a problem :/
 
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