Windows 8.1

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pmikep said:
One was for Journal stuff, even tho Microsoft removed Journal stuff in a later KB.

Interestingly, Update also offered me a cummulative update for IE11, even tho I removed IE11 using Windows' Features.

I didn't accept it, but am not sure if I shouldn't. I know from the old days of WinNT and XP, that IE was tightly integrated into the OS, and updating IE6 would often bring subtle improvements to the Desktop UI. So even though one might have "removed" IE, roots of it are still in the OS.

For now, unless someone gives me a good reason to do it, I'm not going to accept that cumulative update.

P.S. The KB for IE11 (KB4483187) says that it fixes a java script error to prevent remote code execution.
Again, since I have "removed" IE11, it's hard to see how I could be affected by a malformed java script.
(It's my understanding that java script is run in the browser. Not in the OS.)
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Skip the Journal removal update, is not a real (let's say big) risk as IE.

You didn't removed IE, you have removed access to IE, try typing an address in Windows Explorer, if it loads the webpage, it is active but not accessible/associated to open url/links (if you have optional features/windows update compatibility enabled, you can enable IE without having access to the internet).

This IE has no real integration changes as IE6, i think there are Windows 3.1 (dll's) roots in Windows 10.

I wouldn't install any IE Update if i don't expect to be a malware target.

P.S. Javascript is run/needed/called by many programs/browsers (check compatibility protections).
 
Thanks.

When you say to try typing an address in Windows Explorer, where would I type? Do you mean to find a url link in the search box?

In any event, I installed PaleMoon as my default browser. So when a program wants to connect to the web, like for a help page, Palemoon opens instead of IE.
 
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When you say to try typing an address in Windows Explorer, where would I type? Do you mean to find a url link in the search box?

In any event, I installed PaleMoon as my default browser. So when a program wants to connect to the web, like for a help page, Palemoon opens instead of IE.
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Yes, type an address.
When you remove the IE feature component with NTLite, you can use Windows Explorer as your web browser.

Palemoon is also my (outdated) default browser for links, pages, URLs, the con is when pages/sites detects as an old FF version.
 
I tried typing in ntlite.com in the Win8.1 search bar. Apparently I had turned off web searching when I customized the iso with NTLite. Or I did it from somewhere from within Windows afterward. 'Cause it doesn't offer to go on the internet to find the link. Nor does it open a browser.

So that's good.
 
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As much as I hate letting Microsoft have a peak at my computer, I decided to see what Windows Update would offer on my new, relatively fresh, Win8.1 Pro, made with NTLite, pre-updated with most of nuhi's list. I had also updated it after install with WSUS Offline Updater's Security Only patches.
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Use WUMT Wrapper Srcipt by pf100 with Wsusscn2.cab. The script controls windows update but it gives you greater control than wu does. You can generate update lists with links it so you can manually download them later or with a downloader tool. If you add Wsusscn2.cab then you can use the script and wu will use the updates recommended in the cab file. Its big, around 500mb and it changes regularly.
 
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Wow. Pretty slick.

But WUMT Wrapper says it is for Win10 only? (Says "Requires: Win10")

And I wonder if wsusscn2.cab has things like updated drivers in it? 'Cause when I clicked on more info for the AMD SMBus driver, the link went to a different server than the Microsoft KB server. (And the different server was (apparently) down on Christmas.)

In any event, I think that was the last time I'll let Windows update run. I just wanted to see what happened and wanted to get driver updates.

(I forgot to mention that it wanted to install that KB that calls for the Win10 update. I thought they had pulled that KB? 'Cause, IIRC, there's another KB that removes it.)
 
Its a good tool because pf100 works very hard to keep up with ms's sneakiness with WU and related services.
I dont need it that much but its very handy to have if you use WU on a running system. If you can post there and ask him directly if it works on 8.1 because most of the changes are to keep up with w10 issues, there may be an older version for 8.1.
 
There are some new intel cpus dropping on Jan 3rd, KF series and the grapevine says they may be either igpu less or igpu disabled, there is a 9600KF listed, 6 cores, soldered(?) and from 189quid(going by the listings and converted to gbp).

I have got w10 LTSB 2016(untouched) working on i3 8300/B360. The latest igpu driver doesnt install on build 1607(unsupported build) but during testing(REAPER daw and LAME/Wav are rendering great) the standard ms basic driver is working ok.

I cant remember if i installed the chipset inf package, will check back.
 
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I've used Win 8.1 Pro for over 2 years now where I've ripped out all the crap, etc. This include all the skydrive crap and so forth. Never enabled updates and restricted it with GP. Updated it with the updates I wanted in NTLite and never did I have any issue, except with browser crap. Removed IE, except the needed, but Firefox tend to micro freeze on DPI scalling ecpecially on movie sites and sometime I didn't get all the pictures on the websites, but that was my High contrast theme doing it. Other than that I was happy. Now moving to Win10 Pro and already ripped out all the garbage and update I blocked again with GP and this works for me. It does complain a bit but that I block with scripting.
 
Nice one Saaglem, your happy with 10 and thats what matters, however there are some people who adamantly refuse update everytime a newer os is released, more so 10 with its problems and issues so users need to know what alternatives are availible to them.
 
I will give round about updates on Win 10 Pro 1809. While hop skipping through it and I find issue's then I'll update this post. Since a previous bios update I cannot install Win 7 anymore, tried hard to but couldn't. Payed a good amount to bios-mods.com for a reverted hacked bios but then realised...it's time to move on. Their is so much that can be removed and hacked out of windows it is unbelieveable once it's done, and it's still working.
 
I have heard that some bios's cannot be reset with an older one once the latest one is installed, whether that is a good or bad thing i dont know.

If you are happy with 1809 and are happy to share your findings start your own topic, im sure it will get traffic :) but you will need time to answer any questions from users etc. If you dont want to open a topic but still want to share your work then you are welcome to post your findings in this topic, i can adjust the title and post no1 accordingly. :)
 
Hi Clanger. Nuh......I just post my findings.....easier.......don't like traffic.....never has. lol....us sharks only swim close to something else when hungry. Lol. I would how ever except your offer to add it to this topic though. Thank you for the invite.
 
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This post is for PMIKEP. I don't want to interfere here.....but here is my list if it may help. I run it in segments to prevent possible failure. It worked for me. If it works for you...great. If it doesn't, but it under a rock.
 

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@saalem Thanks for your list.

I looked at it and saw the nine separate runs to integrate KB's.

That's a lot of work. Is it really necessary?

I haven't looked exhaustively at your list yet. But I have done 107 updates at once for Win8.1 - most from NTLite's download feature. Including the SSU that people say is supposed to be done first, by itself.

Doing them all at once in NTLite seems to have worked fine. (That is, they installed and neither NTLite or Windows complained.) And it make life a lot easier.

I'm assuming that nuhi has thought about alerting users to KB's that have to be installed stand alone or in a certain order.

Have you tried them all at once in NTLite?
 
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I looked at it and saw the nine separate runs to integrate KB's.

That's a lot of work. Is it really necessary?

I haven't looked exhaustively at your list yet. But I have done 107 updates at once for Win8.1 - most from NTLite's download feature. Including the SSU that people say is supposed to be done first, by itself.

Doing them all at once in NTLite seems to have worked fine. (That is, they installed and neither NTLite or Windows complained.) And it make life a lot easier.
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NTLite integrates the updates by date, except the needed first, such as the SSU or "the patch that patch an older patch" takes it's place in its original order.
 
Howzit Kasual. Well, yeah. That was the way it worked for me. I made only one copy that way and then ran NTLite of that copy I made. Basically you do it only once. Now.....don't use it anymore. I moved on
 
ultraform I had a no go with w7 on b360 coffee lake, i dont think its possible at all, see earlier posts. Messing about with usb2 addin pci/pci-e cards can be expensive and time consuming(ordering parts/delivery). Insmell dont do usb3/3.1 drivvers for b360.
 
Its sad =( Its my friends PC and he didnt like windows 10 and have less fps then me, we tweaked and tweaked w10 we jus got it much faster but not more or stable FPS :/ , Funny is the keyboard work in all Usb ports 2.0/3.0 and the red port Usb in windows 7, but the mice didnt work in any :/ He use i7 9700k Intel and I have i7 4790k W7 and have more stable fps beacouse of the windows. He now use windows 8.1 and he like it more then w10:p
 
Good stuff :) Many moons ago you asked me about 8.1 and i said avoid it if i remember correctly, now i know different :cool:. Its the bloody mouse that is the probblem. :mad: Nice to have another convert. :p

9700k on a b360? I should be able to shoehorn a 9600k/kf on b360 then. Glad you posted, ta. :)
 
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